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Anointed Archer
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2010 4:04:10 AM
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Greetings Friends,

We ran across an interesting point the other day in our Bible study that brought up a lot of thought and maybe a little confusion because of our lack of understanding. We were talking about Gods will to heal when one of the brothers said that back in his drinking and drugging days (20 years ago) he got healed by a warlock. A total instant healing, at the time this brother did not know about healing, God or warlocks. However it raised several questions. I know satan has counterfeit miracles and his witches and sorcerers can conjuror up all kinds of things, however healings? So here are a couple questions we hope you can help us with.

1. Can satan or his workers heal some one?
If so what do we do with the verses that say he came only to rob, steal and kill. Or all the verse that says all good and perfect gifts comes from the Father above?

2. Are there any references to satan or his workers healing anyone in the New testament? We could not find any?
3. Can demons cast out demons? We know Jesus said a house divided cannot stand.

We would greatly appreciate any light you could shed on this bizarre circumstance.
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Anointed Archer wrote:

1. Can satan or his workers heal some one?
If so what do we do with the verses that say he came only to rob, steal and kill. Or all the verse that says all good and perfect gifts comes from the Father above?

Satan can not cast out satan, but he can create a partial miracle to counterfeit a real one, in order to deceive (rob, steal and kill).

Anointed Archer wrote:

2. Are there any references to satan or his workers healing anyone in the New testament? We could not find any?

I'm not aware of any specific references but it was declared:
Matthew 24:24 (KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

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3. Can demons cast out demons? We know Jesus said a house divided cannot stand.

A demon does not need to be completely cast out to seem like a healing. The difference between a satanic healing and healing from God is that satanic healings are partial and can not heal terminal illness such as AIDS, CANCER, etc. Only God can heal terminal illness as that is the complete casting out of those demons.
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Also i have heard that the enemy can choose to release his hold on someone (usually temporarily) and that release will result in a lessening of pain. To us this is perceived as a healing. But it is just used to deceive us...
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Satan can not cast out satan, but he can create a partial miracle to counterfeit a real one, in order to deceive (rob, steal and kill).

1. No offense but that sounds like a stretch? what scriptures can you give me to back that theroy up?


I'm not aware of any specific references but it was declared:
Matthew 24:24 (KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
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2. Yeah but I can not find anywhere in the New Testement where it even hints that the devil heals or falsely heals people?

A demon does not need to be completely cast out to seem like a healing. The difference between a satanic healing and healing from God is that satanic healings are partial and can not heal terminal illness such as AIDS, CANCER, etc. Only God can heal terminal illness as that is the complete casting out of those demons.

3. Again, can you show me scripture that backs your theory?

Please understand I am not being critical here I am just trying to get a clear understanding. You see I did a research one year and found at least 8 scriptures where Jesus or the Apostles used healings and signs & wonders to prove thier validity, that they where of God. I just have a hard time seeing where Jesus would say these miracles prove I am of the Father, if satan could do the same thing?

I understand satan can do false signs & wonders, However every good and perfect gift comes from the Father above. So does that mean healings & deliverances aren't good and perfect? Do you see what I am trying to work out here?

I really do appreciate you letting me air this out as it has really caused some confusion in our group and we all know where confusion comes from!
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Anointed Archer wrote:
Satan can not cast out satan, but he can create a partial miracle to counterfeit a real one, in order to deceive (rob, steal and kill).

1. No offense but that sounds like a stretch? what scriptures can you give me to back that theroy up?


I'm not aware of any specific references but it was declared:
Matthew 24:24 (KJV) For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect
.

2. Yeah but I can not find anywhere in the New Testement where it even hints that the devil heals or falsely heals people?

A demon does not need to be completely cast out to seem like a healing. The difference between a satanic healing and healing from God is that satanic healings are partial and can not heal terminal illness such as AIDS, CANCER, etc. Only God can heal terminal illness as that is the complete casting out of those demons.

3. Again, can you show me scripture that backs your theory?

Please understand I am not being critical here I am just trying to get a clear understanding. You see I did a research one year and found at least 8 scriptures where Jesus or the Apostles used healings and signs & wonders to prove thier validity, that they where of God. I just have a hard time seeing where Jesus would say these miracles prove I am of the Father, if satan could do the same thing?

I understand satan can do false signs & wonders, However every good and perfect gift comes from the Father above. So does that mean healings & deliverances aren't good and perfect? Do you see what I am trying to work out here?

I really do appreciate you letting me air this out as it has really caused some confusion in our group and we all know where confusion comes from!


All 3 answers are related, so here are the scriptures showing the power God allows to satan.
Matthew 12
22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.

23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


Revelation 13:
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.


Revelation 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.


Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
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See I think the scriptures you are using in Matthew are actually supporting or confirming my thoughts about satan not being able heal and cast out demons? I don't see where it is supporting what your saying at all.

I am not an end times guy, but I believe the scriptures your are referring to in the book of Revelations are referring to the time period when the church has been taking up and the Holy Spirit has been removed. So I can see things changing and being different in this dispensaiton.

I do appreicate your efforts to assist me on this subject but I still am lacking understanding here. I continue to keep seeking Father for a clearer understanding on this subject. But thanks again Greg for all you assistance.
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Anointed Archer, I'm kinda seeing what you are saying here scripturally. It appears you are differentiating between "miracles" and "healing." Indeed, the NT does not record the enemy ever healing anyone. It does, however, record at least 2 men who were false prophets that did "sorcery," which, I deem, could be considered "miracles," at least by interpretation. In other words, based on the definition of the Greek words translated "sorcery" as used in the NT, these sorcerers could merely have been doing illusions and the people were perceiving them to be actual miracles, but none of which were actual healings.

So, I'm thinking this is true. The enemy cannot do any real miracles. They are false miracles; kinda like our modern-day magicians (illusionists) do for entertainment. Though we cannot figure them out sometimes, they are just very clever illusions and not real miracles. Thus, it is not possible for these "magicians" to do healings. To do a healing requires real supernatural power, which, they have none. Perhaps the only "healings" supposedly done by antichrists (non-Christians) are purely of the psychosomatic type.

But like you, I'm investigating. I personally have been the channel by which Jesus has healed perhaps a couple hundred people. But I've never personally known that I've run into a demon as of yet. I'm not even sure if I need to know there's a demon involved or not. Regardless, when the light comes on, the darkness flees, and in that analogy, darkness cannot bring light (i.e. the enemy's kingdom is INCAPABLE of bringing healing).

Acts 8
9 A man named Simon had been a sorcerer [mageuo, #3096] there for many years, amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great.
10 Everyone, from the least to the greatest, often spoke of him as "the Great One—the Power of God."
11 They listened closely to him because for a long time he had astounded them with his magic [mageia, #3095].


Acts 13
6 Afterward they traveled from town to town across the entire island until finally they reached Paphos, where they met a Jewish sorcerer [magos, #3097], a false prophet named Bar-Jesus.
7 He had attached himself to the governor, Sergius Paulus, who was an intelligent man. The governor invited Barnabas and Saul to visit him, for he wanted to hear the word of God.
8 But Elymas, the sorcerer [magos, #3097] (as his name means in Greek), interfered and urged the governor to pay no attention to what Barnabas and Saul said. He was trying to keep the governor from believing.
9 Saul, also known as Paul, was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he looked the sorcerer in the eye.
10 Then he said, "You son of the devil, full of every sort of deceit and fraud, and enemy of all that is good! Will you never stop perverting the true ways of the Lord?
11 Watch now, for the Lord has laid his hand of punishment upon you, and you will be struck blind. You will not see the sunlight for some time." Instantly mist and darkness came over the man’s eyes, and he began groping around begging for someone to take his hand and lead him.


DEFINITIONS
#3095 (mageia) mag-i'-ah
from 3096; TDNT-4:359,547; n f
AV-sorcery 1; 1
1) magic, magic arts, sorceries

#3096 (mageuo) mag-yoo'-o
from 3097; TDNT-4:359,547; v
AV-use sorcery 1; 1
1) to be a magician, to practise magical arts

#3097 (magos) mag'-os
of foreign origin (rabmag), #07248; TDNT-4:356,547; n m
AV-wise man 4, sorcerer 2; 6
1) a magus
1a) the name given by the Babylonians (Chaldeans), Medes, Persians, and others, to the wise men, teachers, priests, physicians, astrologers, seers, interpreters of dreams, augers, soothsayers, sorcerers etc.
1b) the oriental wise men (astrologers) who, having discovered by the rising of a remarkable star that the Messiah had just been born, came to Jerusalem to worship him
1c) a false prophet and sorcerer

#07248 (rab-mag) rab-mawg'
from 07227 and a foreign word for a Magian, Greek 3097 magov; TWOT-1143; n m
AV-Rabmag 2; 2
1) soothsayer, magician, chief soothsayer
1a) Rab-mag, chief soothsayer, or chief of princes, an official of Babylonia

WORD USES

#3095
Acts 8:11 They listened closely to him because for a long time he had astounded them with his magic.

#3096
Acts 8:9 A man named Simon had been a sorcerer there for many years, amazing the people of Samaria and claiming to be someone great.

#3097
Matthew 2:1 ¶ Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the reign of King Herod. About that time some wise men from eastern lands arrived in Jerusalem, asking,

Matthew 2:7 Then Herod called for a private meeting with the wise men, and he learned from them the time when the star first appeared.

Matthewt 2:16 ¶ Herod was furious when he realized that the wise men had outwitted him. He sent soldiers to kill all the boys in and around Bethlehem who were two years old and under, based on the wise men’s report of the star’s first appearance.

Acts 13:6 Afterward they traveled from town to town across the entire island until finally they reached Paphos, where they met a Jewish sorcerer, a false prophet named Bar-Jesus.

Acts 13:8 But Elymas, the sorcerer (as his name means in Greek), interfered and urged the governor to pay no attention to what Barnabas and Saul said. He was trying to keep the governor from believing.


#07248
Jeremiah 39:3 All the officers of the Babylonian army came in and sat in triumph at the Middle Gate: Nergal-sharezer of Samgar, and Nebo-sarsekim, a chief officer, and Nergal-sharezer, the king’s adviser, and all the other officers.

Jeremiah 39:13 So Nebuzaradan, the captain of the guard; Nebushazban, a chief officer; Nergal-sharezer, the king’s adviser; and the other officers of Babylon’s king

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