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#21 Posted : Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:06:08 AM

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#22 Posted : Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:11:23 AM

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10. Only superstars like the big name ministers we see on TV can heal the sick, not little old you.



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#23 Posted : Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:18:54 AM

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10a And they heal the sick through prayer cloths, only $19.95, order now!

And if you order before midnight tonight we'll include this very nice John-the-Baptist shower cap! That's right... act now!


I thought John was the one who lived in the wilderness and didn't get many a showers besides when he was baptizing people? How did he get his own brand of shower caps? Think
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:18:19 PM

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I dunno if this one is taught anywhere (it probably is, I just haven't been in a 'church' in AGES) but something pretty funny happened to me a couple of weeks ago at a bible study.

We were asked (by some guy on the television) to write a letter to the person who helped us become saved, the person who witnessed to us.
I explained that I had no such person. Jesus has been with me all my life, pretty much, so nobody ever had to 'convert' me from being a nonbeliever. There was a time in my early teens in which I was presented with other options and I decided to stick with Jesus, but no "defining moment" in which I came to Jesus and he changed my life.
At hearing this, the leader of our bible study began to look worried. He asked me very politely if he could ask me some hard questions. I told him certainly, and he then quoted a verse:
Romans10:9 wrote:
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

He then asked very seriously if I had ever done that.
I was thoroughly confused by his question and tone. I have to go through a checklist to be saved, seriously? If I have never said some collection of words I'm seriously not going to Heaven, on a technicality? "Sorry, can't let you up here! It says here you never prayed to receive God's grace! Down you go!"
I was so confused that he had even asked me that I just said I had "probably done something like that through the course of my years, but if I have, I don't remember."
He accepted this and went on with the lesson.

My other least favorite church teaching is that you have to attend a weekly church worship service in order to be saved. Or at least that you have to attend a weekly church worship service in order to be a "good Christian".
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:55:03 PM

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Hattrakk, that is my experience too. I cannot remember a day without Jesus. There was a time in my teen years, when I suddenly realized what Jesus' death on the cross meant... but to me that was just a realization of what I already had.

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I always think of the deaf person (who can't have faith because he can't HEAR the gospel) and the mute person (who can't get saved because he can't SAY with his mouth the "sinner's prayer")... Yikes! (Of course, I'm joking.) And then there's the deaf/mute... there's no hope at all for him! Big Grin
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, February 16, 2010 3:57:28 PM

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I always think of the deaf person (who can't have faith because he can't HEAR the gospel) and the mute person (who can't get saved because he can't SAY with his mouth the "sinner's prayer")... Yikes! (Of course, I'm joking.) And then there's the deaf/mute... there's no hope at all for him! Big Grin


That's what my mom pointed out when I told this story to her. We stopped attending a Sunday church service so long ago that I'd forgotten people could be this legal-minded!
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#27 Posted : Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:20:18 PM
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Oh dear I'd fuse that teachers mind. I got saved after a vivid dream when I was about 5. I just felt God show me 2 choices one of which was individualism and power, and the other love and being joined with God. I chose the second. I didn't even know it was Jesus - except later when I heard about Jesus I knew he was God. Now how would I have known that if I wasn't saved ? Big Grin
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#28 Posted : Thursday, February 18, 2010 1:09:38 PM

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From my catholic background:
1) My suffering was a gift from God


WHAT!!!!! Laughing LOL!! ROFL

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So I have believed a lot of wrong doctrines.

I see now how, when I first got saved, I believed a lot of what a certain ministry told me, without checking it out in the Bible for myself.

For example, one of the FIRST THINGS I did when I got saved was make a family tree to break generational curses. :P
That doesn't even make sense now... in light of a better understanding of how Jesus became a curse for me and by believing in Him I am now able to receive the blessings...

I also went through a deliverance seminar to find all the "open doors" to the enemy and properly close them by renouncing them...and breaking "ungodly soul ties".

For a long time I believed my sickness was only going to be healed on some kind of "timing" God had.. now I'm beginning to see Him as healer of anything, all the time, for anyone. Nuts

I remember sitting in a Catholic church kneeling, and my knees hurt. I complained to my mom and she said, "Look up at the cross! You think that hurt Jesus?"

...That wasn't the best belief to have :P
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#30 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:04:58 AM

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i was trying to think of something for this topic. i dont think it is a doctrine but is something the church and people i knew taught and still believe. it is that objcts can be cursed. for example if you buy an antique you better be careful cuz there could be evil attached to it. i dont think that is in the bible. i have to admit though that when i buy something from a garage sale etc. i still pray over it to get any evil off of it. i know that is dumb but it is in the back of my mind from the years of superstitious teaching.well if it is biblical maybe you could show me where. i think it is just fearbased garbage!!!!
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:02:59 PM
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i was trying to think of something for this topic. i dont think it is a doctrine but is something the church and people i knew taught and still believe. it is that objcts can be cursed. for example if you buy an antique you better be careful cuz there could be evil attached to it. i dont think that is in the bible. i have to admit though that when i buy something from a garage sale etc. i still pray over it to get any evil off of it. i know that is dumb but it is in the back of my mind from the years of superstitious teaching.well if it is biblical maybe you could show me where. i think it is just fearbased garbage!!!!


That's a good one Stacey, I was taught this as well. No one mentioned to me Jesus' prayer at the end of John's gospel where he prayed specifically that we be protected from the evil one. As a result I don't believe its possible for anyone or anything to put a curse on a Christian. He who is in us is greater than he who is in the world. I wonder what the people who teach this think is going to happen if we did get an object that was cursed ? Where in the New Testament was that a problem ? Brick wall

If we have Jesus in us, and the power to cast out demons, why would we be worried about an object ?
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#32 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:44:51 AM

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Hi, On a similar vein - I called a prayer line in uk for prayer. They chatted about giving a seed to sow etc and would i like to sow into their ministry to recieve my healing. I was uncomfortably going along and was told that the - big boss - bishop would pray if I gave to ministry - I got more uncomfortable - they texted their bank account and then explained that it would be £400 pounds to get the bishops prayer - i can laugh now but not so funny when you are desperate for God. ROFL
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#33 Posted : Wednesday, August 04, 2010 8:30:37 AM

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Hi, On a similar vein - I called a prayer line in uk for prayer. They chatted about giving a seed to sow etc and would i like to sow into their ministry to recieve my healing. I was uncomfortably going along and was told that the - big boss - bishop would pray if I gave to ministry - I got more uncomfortable - they texted their bank account and then explained that it would be £400 pounds to get the bishops prayer - i can laugh now but not so funny when you are desperate for God. ROFL


That makes me sad and a bit angry! Whatever happened to "Freely you have received, freely give"? Think
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that is strange how certain ministries say to give money (sow ) to get healed. like helen said it is a free gift purchased by Jesus. well i am glad you can laugh at it now but that is upsetting.
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Hi, On a similar vein - I called a prayer line in uk for prayer. They chatted about giving a seed to sow etc and would i like to sow into their ministry to recieve my healing. I was uncomfortably going along and was told that the - big boss - bishop would pray if I gave to ministry - I got more uncomfortable - they texted their bank account and then explained that it would be £400 pounds to get the bishops prayer - i can laugh now but not so funny when you are desperate for God. ROFL


I must admit even at Benny Hinn meetings the attempts to get people to 'sow seeds' made me very uncomfortable, even though I do believe Benny Hinn is sincere. I believe that at healing meetings there should be no opportunity for needy people to confuse giving to a ministry with faith for healing. Its just too easy to exploit folk.

At the other end of the scale there was a report shown on UK TV of London based African churches attempting to charge up to £12,000 for a deliverance prayer session. If anyone needs deliverance its the pastors who think they can rip people off like this.

Unfortunately this is what happens when so much preaching in not biblical, and based on bringing in money. You do not need to sow a seed for God to bless you, and you do not need to tithe. Its by trust in Jesus and what he did on the cross to give you right standing with the Father. How often is that preached ? One of the reasons why stewardship isn't preached much is because pastors can't control their flock into giving to them.

Sometimes I wish we could just stop church building programs and get back to house groups. The charlatans wouldn't be so interested if they couldn't extort a huge salary, and would probably push off into other areas of crime and leave the church alone.
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Heard some dodgy teaching last week at a large Christian conference in the UK explaining that we should not expect every person we pray for to be healed because we live in the "Not Yet" in other words Gods Kingdom has not fully come to earth.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. ect. therefore we only heal in part.

logic versus Gods wisdom.
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:11:54 PM

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Heard some dodgy teaching last week at a large Christian conference in the UK explaining that we should not expect every person we pray for to be healed because we live in the "Not Yet" in other words Gods Kingdom has not fully come to earth.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. ect. therefore we only heal in part.

logic versus Gods wisdom.

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Some nice ones there guys. A few more :

1) God is a slot machine. Sowing and reaping. What Jesus did on the cross isn't enough. You need to give my ministry your money and only then will God bless you.

2) You need more faith to be healed. Give me more money and you will show God you have more faith.

3) This miracle water/prayer cloth will solve all your problems - just activate it by releasing your faith by giving me your money !
(Incidentally if a certain televangelist I won't mention ever reads this, may I thank you so much for praying for the dead comedian off the tv I registered for prayer. Given that exactly the same letter was sent to him as was sent to my mother, it convinced her that it was a con ! ROFL I presume all that money must be needed to buy another radio ear piece to help you get 'words of knowledge' from your wife ! ).





OK wait a sec Andy what happened in #3? LOL
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You too can get healed by standing on your head, only $19.95! Order now!

Lol -click below to send me the money, Big Grin (just kidding...)





we know Greg but that was funny
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Hey Troy,
I got that prayer cloth too ;-) green ? ? So bad - but i was desperate for a touch form God so we called. Was rediculous - we thought of doing that - getting another one sent to see if the supposed individual word was all the same - we knew it was. It went straight in the bin - we considered reporting them for for fraud - they must know what they are doing to get through loop holes or everyone is too frightened to say anything - just in case he is the lords anointed ? i also thought of sending a letter back asking him to sow into my minisrty - what would happen then? what ever - God had answered my prayers (maybe even his) and brought me this family of believers to bring His Helaing, Light, Love , Hope , Joy, Care, Genuine - Respect and the the love of Jesus. Thank you Jesus for your truth and this forum.. Blessings to all, in Jesus Wonderful Name, Amen. Andrea
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